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Brad

Hello Kenneth:

The Hebrew word basar (Strongs H1319) translated as "flesh" in Joel 2:28 is the same basar used to describe Adam's flesh. Itis not used in Scripture to generically reference all humankind. In fact, according to Strongs, the term can mean "kindred, blood-relations" - in context, then, the use of basar is not forcing the idea of universality.

The use of "all flesh" and Acts 2:17 also demands an observance of context: Peter is refering to THEIR sons and daughters, THEIR young men, and THEIR old men. In fact, those to whom Peter were speaking were Israelites, both of the Diaspora and of Judea. In fact, a few verses further, in Acts 2:30, we read that the promises concerned the fruit of his loins according to the flesh". See also Romans 4:1: "...Abraham our father, according to the flesh (basar)" and "kinsmen according to the flesh (basar, Romans 9:3)" where Paul clearly establishes the boundaries of the prophetic promises! The context: those of Paul's flesh (Romans 11:14) whom he alone sought to save. Context, context. See also 1 Corinthians 10:18, Galatians 4:29,Philemon 1:16)

To force "all flesh" (Greek sarx) as meaning "all humankind" is problematic for a number of reasons, but here are a few:

- If the consummative Last Days events have been completed, how close did "all flesh" come to be destroyed? (Matthew 24:22)
- Mark 13:20 associated basar ("all flesh") with the exclusive elect - the chosen.
- Can birds, turtles and racoons "see the salvation" of God (as in Luke 3:6)? Of course not. Context determines how basar is used.
- Birds, turtles and racoons are out-of-scope for salvation, because there is no "deeds of the Law" to be considered for salvation! (Romans 3:20) In fact, in Revelation 19:21, the fowl eat the flesh of the remnant!
- Birds, turtles and racoons are out-of-scope for salvation, because they have no choice but to "walk in the flesh" (as
opposed to being in Christ Jesus." (Romans 8:1)

Unless you can establish - historically and biblically - that the flesh from Abraham's loins includes all ethnicities from
the beginning of fleshly life here on earth, you cannot truthully apply the salvific scope of the Hebrew God to all peoples.

Much of your comments, ie: the use of the Masoretic texts, the true name of our Father in Heaven is truly fodder for another discussion, and I surely may agree with you on some of these things. But our Messiah DID die "for a select group of people only"
as the Word proclaims.

I was surprised to see you use the meaningless term "racism." I encourage you to review my blog and podcast, "The Christian Racist".

You're truly a long way from that $1000, but keep studying!

Kenneth Klimaitis

So close yet so far with your teachings. Joel 2:28 And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit (upon all flesh);In Acts 2:17 uses this reference in the first Apostolic preached message. Your error is just like the Edomites(Jews)and Black Israelites with their racial exclusivity teaching. John 3:1-8 explains the new birth experience proclaimed by Peter in Acts 2:38. You have to be born again before you can refer to being a believer being saved.
Jews is from the Greek derivation of Iewes. Those who lived in the region of Idumea. It is not a substitute for Yehuda or Yehudite, because it is not of Hebraic origin. I am not a Judeo Christian, but a born again child of the Most High. I have repented, been baptized in the name of Jesus (Yehushua)then received the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in his heavenly language. His name is not Yahweh (YHVH) rather Yehweh (IEUE). You have been blinded by the Masoretic scribes and you debase unlearned Christians. Your eschatology is very good, but you lose credibility declaring our Messiah died for a select group of people only. He did die to remarry and unite the two houses of Israel. But he was also the promised seed of Abraham for all nations. I would take your $1000 dollars any day. And prove the Kingdom of God has no room for racism.

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